I was confused on this too. It turns out that they want a regular donation amount from the congregation. If the congregation has a current loan payment they are encouraged to at least match that amount. They "forgave" all loans but expect them to donate this amount without a payoff in sight. Perhaps this leads to the tithe thinking; congregations without a current loan are encouraged to take a confidential survey of how much a publisher can donate each month. Then when they total these pledges they are to make a motion for the congregation to donate that much each month. I suppose that is what some are viewing as "Tithing". I think its just plain extortion. Not all congregations are doing the survey thing. So they dont know about it. Only those without an outstanding loan are to do that. Same result different scam. Read ALL of the text in the letters, it clarified things for me.
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I'm confused! Just what is the "new" donation arrangement and how is it like "tithing"?
by booker-t ini've been out so long but many of my ex-jws friends have been telling me of a "new" donation/tithing arrangement the wts is using today.
when i was a jws we had "contribution" boxes at the back of the kh and the elders would give talks about contributing to the kingdom interest.
we were not forced to give but gave as we pleased.
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Most absurd thing I heard at the convention yesterday!
by Batman89 inbrother lett was giving the last talk of the day about what they supposedly accomplished in 100 years.
i was just waking up so im paraphrasing alittle(i was dosing off all day) anyways in his introduction he said.
"there is more evidence to prove gods kingdom on the earth is a reality than wind,electricity and gravity is a reality on the earth".
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Was that John Magnussun by chance?
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WOW....LOOK at THESE J W 's in FULL SHUNNING MODE!
by clarity inhave a look at the blank faces as this man asks a .
simple question.
this video is proof ...jw's will.
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This video is incomplete. We are left to assume that only a man with a microphone and a camera person were present asking this question. I agree with one comment that asked for more info. Was there a table manned by supporters of this guy with attacking slogans on signs? If so then the JW's would never speak to him. It may not have been just a simple question. Maybe they will enlighten us with that info. The JW's certainly fall in line.
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Inactive relative defends new donation setup based on word of active relative. Doubts veracity of letters!
by Wasanelder Once inmy sister came to the society's defense on the issue of "pledged amounts" not being accurate because a realative stated that it didn't happen in her congregation.
so i said they were mistaken, and that i had access to the letters proving it.
she doubted that they were authentic.
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My sister came to the society's defense on the issue of "pledged amounts" not being accurate because a realative stated that it didn't happen in her congregation. So I said they were mistaken, and that I had access to the letters proving it. She doubted that they were authentic. "It's from apostates!" So I found them and downloaded the PDF files and read them closely. Only in congregations without a previous loan or resolution are to take a confidential survey of individual publishers. It is great that its in the section that is NOT TO BE READ to the publishers!
Her daughter's congregation owes a loan and had a payment amount so no survey was necessary. That's why she didn't know. So I emailed the PDF's to the relative so they can read it for themselves Do you have inactive family that are loyal even though they dont give a crap about any of the requirements the society makes? Total worldly people except that kneejerk loyalty? Its so damn annoying. How do you deal with it?
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Catching up after putting life on hold while a JW.....
by EndofMysteries init's only been a couple of years since i fully woke up to ttatt.
although it's....almost never too late to turn your life around, definitely the older you are, the harder it will be.
i had put marriage, school, traveling, and 'worldly goals' aside because the end was 'just around the corner' and those things shouldn't be pursued.
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You have realized that catching up really means taking hold of a future of your own making. Not everyone will acheive all those things when they catch up, but once we take hold of our own future we will achieve similar goals. Some of us have already done things once unthinkable that our chained minds would not allow. Good for you. Everyone else? That's the challange isn't it? To take hold of your future and see what is possible for you? Good luck everyone. You can do whatever is within your grasp.
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I am Back on JWN and out of hospital
by KateWild inhey everyone,.
thanks qcf and nugget for starting threads.
thanks cofty for wondering where i was.
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Sam, you're Wild! Didn't know that. Welcome back to the board. Have a lovely holiday and all the best with the mind numbing sessions. May the force be with you in rescuing the captives of the evil empire!
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The people i least get along with are EX- J.Ws
by new hope and happiness ini am not talking about posters here on this board ( otherwise i wouldn't be here would i) but in general.. si i am talking those ex j.ws in my community and we just dont get on.
well ok its a bit of an exaggeration to say i don't get on with them, we just dont associate.
this botherd me at first as i thought we would have much in common, but it wasn't so, and it's just the way it is.
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The only exjw's I know are on here, except DF'd people and I dont even know where they are. Most were into drugs and other things that dont interest me anyway. I am fine with being friends with whomever deserves it. You know, not negative, controlling or a Bible thumper.
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Pedophile Elder in jail gets reinstated
by Trapped in JW land inthere was a brother in my congregation who was an elder.
he got disfellowshipped about two years ago for looking at child porn and also trying to meet up with a thirteen year old boy online.
he was also arrested soon after this.
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It is likely that more will come out on this guy as time goes on. Hopefully it will be things coming to light rather than new offences. Then he will be back in the greybar hotel again for an extended stay.
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JW Lady Witnesses to me in My Truck While Trying to get a Nap !
by flipper inincredible.
absolutely incredible.
so i asked, " isn't it 100 years since 1914 ?
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I would have pulled out my cellphone and said "you have three seconds to identify yourself or I am calling 911". When she panicked and said, "I'm one of JW"s." I would have started there. Maybe I would have asked if she understood that she was entering your vehicle (inserting her arm without permission) illegally. She would have explained what she was talking about and apologized. Then I would have gone after her BS as you did. That would have taken her off her high horse. The hubris of these people. Anything for a check on the good dead page in heaven and New York.
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What was your out of control, sobbing moment with this stupid religion?
by ctrwtf ini have often laughed at public outpourings of emotion.
just google mike schmidt"s retirement speech in which he loses it and blithers on about his career.
completely douche chilling.. but to be honest, i had a moment recently when i literally balled my eyes out.
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When my mother, who busted her ass for these people, was ignored when she was dying. She gave of her time, abilities and belongings to support all the activities she was asked to take part in. She cooked for many, organized peoples wedding dinners and helped to comfort people when they were overcome by sadness. And they pissed on her by staying away as she became weaker and weaker from congestive heart failure. They NOT ONCE BROUGHT FOOD OVER TO HER FOR MY DAD OR HER AS SHE WAS TOO WEAK TO COOK. But once she was dead they rallied and a few brought food over for my dad, an unbeliever, so they could kiss his ass and have him join them in slavery. He told them to shove thier food up thier, well you know. He can't stand the phoneys. I sobbed for her being so mistreated. Such good friends.